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Post by charlie on Jul 19, 2003 12:40:27 GMT 10
hey guys,
i was just thinking, instead of worrying about tar and brakepads and grinding your rims and all that stuff, why dont more people use diskbrakes on the back for trials? is it a weight thing, cost, or dont they work as well as an hs33?
also, does anyone know if it is possible to put a disk on teh back of my rhino?
also again, what is the best type of disk (for around 300$) for trials use?
cheers
-charlie
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Post by Craprock on Jul 19, 2003 13:47:19 GMT 10
they work good but frames aren't strong enough to withstand the forces that disk brakes cause on the back, so you will snap your frame at the disc mount in a few months.
only a few frames are getting decent disk mounts (brisa, planet x ...) but none have completely proven themselves yet.
you can only fit one on your bike if you have disc mounts (i'm not sure if the racelines do or not) but i dont really reccomend it.
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Post by charlie on Jul 19, 2003 13:50:16 GMT 10
ok, ill keep that in mind,
also ben, if you're reading this, call me when u want the bars, and ill take them off, i just found out that the brisa's will fit, and it doesnt matter if my bike doesnt have bars for a week or so because i just realised i cant ride it anyway (ankle means im out for another week i think)
cheers
charlie
ps, what is the best disk tho?
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Post by Craprock on Jul 19, 2003 15:12:25 GMT 10
i know jack shit about discs but maybe hope mini or marta
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Post by alex markwart on Jul 19, 2003 15:39:56 GMT 10
All i know is my disk sucks ass and i want a vee brake like joels on there. disks work sick when they do work though, but they are heavy and their is the risk of hitting them on stuff, more so on natural i guess. i dunno. Not worth the moeny in my opinion, but ive jsut had a bas experience.
Alex
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Post by charlie on Jul 19, 2003 16:28:59 GMT 10
k, fairenough, btw, alex, u should ask joel if u can buy or rent  his V brake from him... he has an hs33 on the back now doesnt he? -charlie |
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Post by bonghitwonder on Jul 19, 2003 16:38:39 GMT 10
dont wanna b a nit picker, or get shot down for soo called promoting my products or watever. But the megamo twin disc is the only design of rear disc mount which has had no records of failure. thats news from the factory, when i asked for info bout them couple of months bk.
Px have broken, brisa id say are ok.. but given how ez there frames break (sean;) ) id avoid it too.
But anyways... hope i dont get shot down for sayin that. Just wanted to say i agree.... if possible avoid discs on rear... lotts fiddly and unless working properly rim brakes on rear are defo better!
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Post by tomac on Jul 19, 2003 19:12:17 GMT 10
guys,
I wouldn't touch a disc brake on the back except on a megamo or brisa (which have good disc mounting designs) but these designs are independent of the actual discs themselves working. If you want a good front disc I'd recommend (although I've never used discs, so my recommendation may not mean much, based on very extensive hearsay) the avid cable disc with high quality cabling and lever - simply because of the low cost, high adjustability and (apparently) very high and consistent performance...they seem to be more reliable and comparably light to come of the high end hydraulic systems though...
I use a v-brake on the front for a few reasons:
1. cheap
2. available easily - originally and replacement parts/upgrades
3. lighter (hub, caliper, lever, fork can all be lighter)
4. simpler to work on (a multitool can do pretty much everything you want to a v-brake)
5. comparably powerful (this all depends on set up - but a v-brake can be as powerful as any disc can be)
I don't know about the availability of my rear v-brake...we'll see...I changed to HS33 to go to echo pure frame and it works pretty well - a brake is a brake though :-) if you use plaz pads, grind and booster your brake type doesn't really matter that much in the end...
- Joel
I have to support Dan's spruik of the megamo disc system - no reported failures and very consistent performance - but again this is completely independent of the brake itself - people generally use magura louise for trials though given performance and light weight...
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Post by Kelly on Jul 19, 2003 21:45:36 GMT 10
Heya all. I have a DMR Side kick, and I run hayes cable on the front and hope M4 on the rear, it works really well! The M4 never slipped on me, and the Hayes works consistently well on the front, though I am thinking of getting hydros on the front. I got the M4 cause I don't want to be bothered with truing my rim all the time, plus I got a D321, so have to use disc anyway. But yeah I like it for it's modulation, though I was disappointed by it's lack of power when I first got it, just have to bed it in... though I still think it's no where near the "instant stop" action of the HS33. But I got them for 315... VERY cheap! Ok, now I'm after a King rear hub, cause my newly purchases XT is giving way already  Any comments on those, or recommendations on alternatives? Thanks guys. |
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Post by Craprock on Jul 20, 2003 8:01:30 GMT 10
u bought an xt hub for trials?  king is prolly the way to go but they cost and now theyre saying that their products 'aren't designed for trials' so you cant complain if they break any more. I have an RB hub, but i got it for half price. they cost around 310 dollars, weigh 50-100g more than a king, and have half the engagement points (36). its pretty stiff and does not skip. but it has straight pull spokes so its hard to get the spoke lenghts, but you can use the calculator on their site. Theres also hope hubs, theyre pretty good for trials, and the new middleburn, but that only has 24? engagements. i've seen some other hubs popping up round the place for trials like that woodman hub, and others that i cant remember, but no one knows how good they are yet. |
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Post by Seb LG on Jul 20, 2003 11:03:13 GMT 10
hey Kelly maybe u can try out the "stealth" hub by true precition machining . this hub is pretty damn heavy at 610g but it has instant and completely silent engagement . i dont know what this hub is like but biketrials.com reviewed it and said "Instant engagement feels incredible! If you're willing to try something new and aren't a complete weight-weenie, this may be the hub for you!" it looks pretty starch and it has disc mounts , and i guess the weight is made up by instant engagement so yeah, thats all i have 2 say . just making suggestions . check out the review at www.biketrials.com and its there on the reviews list on the right hand side . if u want u can go for a look at true precition machining....there is a link somewhere in the review to that site, u will find it.... and i think u can buy it from there maybe . some other good hubs are Hope-Bulb...thats what i use and it pretty much dosnt skip at all, the engagement is a little bit slow, but the hub looks heaps starch!... its pretty good , theres chris king....well if i could get one i would , enough said, and there is shimano LX silent clutch which is fine i guess....ive never tried one but heaps of ppl use them , and there is RB....thats a good hub and it looks hella starch!....and i think its light, is it simon? neway, hope u had fun reading this! hehe, sorry if i wasted ur time .  hmmm, ps: i never knew if DMR sidekick was a jumping bike or a trials bike.....which is it? |
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Post by Seb LG on Jul 20, 2003 11:11:41 GMT 10
and why the hell does this site turn the word "co0l" to "cool"!!!! whats so offensive about the word "co0l"!!
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Post by starchie on Jul 20, 2003 11:28:11 GMT 10
starch is a starch word.
trials is starch!
dont use those un-starch words like c00l any more - they are nineties.
u starch wid that seb?
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Post by alex markwart on Jul 20, 2003 11:34:22 GMT 10
lock it in eddy  |
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Post by Seb LG on Jul 20, 2003 13:55:30 GMT 10
yeah, im cool with that ;D
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his V brake from him... he has an hs33 on the back now doesnt he?
Any comments on those, or recommendations on alternatives?
